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| DOC Talk :: RE: jeremiads |
Author: sortalate
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:03 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 15
| Jerry Greenberg wrote: | | now that i understand jeremiads a bit better i think we forgot one thing. it is true that they are criticisms of the middle landscape and how we are not meeting up to those goals. . |
A jeremiad is a criticism of society for sraying away from the ideals of the middle landscape and NOT a criticism of the middle landscape. The middle landscape is not a real place but rather an idea of the ideal place. Thus, when society starts straying from the ideals of it, jeremiads are created pointing out where we have strayed.
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| DOC Talk :: RE: Middle Landscape |
Author: sortalate
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:43 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 16
| ranasco wrote: | | Jeff, I don't think DOC 3 will let us take anything for what it is worth. The class attempts to clasify and label everything, as if everything has an appropriate and right meaning. But that is just the thing, there is no such thing as a right or wrong interpretation. And you try telling Prof. Cocks that his ideas of the middle landscape was wrong and false, you'll see that DOC is not open to outling "wrong" interpretations. |
Mr. Cocks isn't saying that all other interpretations are invalid. For the purposes of the class he is making an argument and relating texts to it. The reason the other interpretations are reinforced is because they are not relevent to his argument. In addition, when speaking of the Vietnam War, the readings which he claims are most important, he emphasizes that the texts argue that the middle landscape is a joke. He doesn't support the middle landscape, he is arguing against having it as the dominant narrative in our society because it is flawed.
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Brandon Beresini C15
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| DOC Talk :: RE: Lecture Note |
Author: sortalate
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:30 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 2
| umnachos wrote: |
kovic as "old kid" (i dont know that that means)
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"old kid" refers to the fact that the war forced the soldiers (often late teens) to grow up quickly
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Brandon Beresini C15
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| DOC Talk :: RE: Disneyland lecture |
Author: sortalate
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:27 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 24
| lighthematch wrote: | | i just think walt disney was a smart guy, who exploited these American ideals of adventure and the frontier and the middle landscape in order to make money. |
Looking at the park from a designers standpoint I find it as support for the existance of the narratives Cocks has argued for in America. It could be that disney consciously exploited ideals of america. I, however, believe he more likely saw these narratives in much of American culture and then created an amusement park that gave the public access to the thrills of experiencing parts of these narratives by being dropped into a park that realized them.
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Brandon Beresini C15
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| DOC Talk :: RE: 6-1-05 Lecture |
Author: sortalate
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:09 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 22
| lighthematch wrote: | | the one thing that i got from todays lecture was the fact that these reading should be open to my own interpretation, not just dr. cocks' belief that they all have to do with the middle landscape. if i dont see the middle landscape in something, then its because my culture, or i guess background, is different than his. i should be able to present my own interpretation not regurgitate his. |
I do agree that you should be able to present your views, however, I don't believe he is saying that his interpretation is the right interpretation. He said that his lecture was an argument. Therefore I find that he is arguing that his interpretation can be made and has been made by people in our country. In a way providing an interpretation of events that fits his arguments is fairly similar to what the authors of our texts have done. He is simply making one interpretation that connects a variety of events, much like we were asked to connect texts through an interpretation in paper two.
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Brandon Beresini C15
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